cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/542998
“It does suck, because everybody kind of makes fun of the Cybertruck. To the outside person, it’s kind of weird, it’s ugly, whatever. Once you actually get in it, drive it, you realize it’s pretty frickin’ cool,” he says. “It’s kind of been sad, because I’ve been trying to prove to people that it’s a really awesome truck that’s not falling apart, and then mine starts to fall apart, so it’s just… Yeah, it’s kind of unfortunate and sad.”
Teslas have had shit build quality forever. They ripped out so many features from the cockpit and replaced it all with a single shitty display. Elon said it’s radical and better, fans sucked it up.
He was a scammer right from the start. He bought the company to ride the green wave and rip off idiots with garbage EVs. Everyone knew his shit cars don’t cost much money to build, Chinese EV makers proved it.
He couldn’t even turn a profit with his fucking company and had to resort to stock manipulation. People seem to forget what a piece of human garbage Elon was all along.
It’s no surprise that garbage truck falls apart. Trade it in for the roadster you fucking idiot!
“I bought a very expensive piece of shit, and everyone else thinks it’s a piece of a shit, but when I try to convince them that it’s not a piece of shit… it ends up doing piece of shit things. I just don’t get it.”
I also really liked this part
“[…]I love Teslas,” he says. “I’m just trying to share what’s going on to better help the engineers to fix this super fast.”
He’s just so cute, the way he’s keeping his copes up despite everything
But it’s so frickin cool when you drive it!
Whatever glue they’re using has a different expansion/contraction rate than the stainless steel, and the fairly smooth metal doesn’t give much surface area to hold, anyway. So in cold or hot days, you’re going to see separation.
And it doesn’t help when they don’t even glue the right pattern from the factory.
I find this offensive, it can’t possibly be true, because Elon knows more than anybody else on this planet about production. He has said so himself!!
And one thing we know for sure, is that you can trust Elon. We will have FSD by 2017, and a manned base on the moon by 2024. And Hyperloop will revolutionize public transportation./s
If I spend 100 grand on something, it better not be fucking glued together.
I didn’t even glue my wife’s glasses together when they broke, I soldered them. Because glue sucks for attaching metal to anything.
Could have done bolts on the inside, or fucking rivets, or just welded the edges and it would have been better.
Cheap ass product sold for premium prices.
The correct glue in the correct amount with the correct pattern against the correct surface will be perfectly fine. That said, they should be bending the edges of the panels around to hold things in place. But I’m sure they’re not.
The type steel they used isn’t easily bendable. In fact, it’s a very expensive process just to get the panels in the shape they are. You also have to replace a whole panel if it gets damaged. Instead of snapping / drilling things into place, I’m guessing this is why they just slap Elmer’s glue on with " the highest quality allowed by law" (Tesla’s words) 3M blue tape. It’s $100k for a reason, but a reason that creates maximum turd polishing for people that bought it.
A Tesla owner who wraps the vehicles for a living has come up with a hypothesis as to why his truck lost a piece of its bodywork at speed.
The car is shit and poorly built. I don’t think there is much of a mystery here.
Elon promise: 10nm precision Elon Delivers: truck stuck with glue.
I think the problem with Tesla is that they have too many legacy hires making decisions.
Ah, Spring. When the Swasticars shed their winter coats…
Toughest truck ever built, bullet proof, yada yada yada.
Well apparently it’s not even wind proof. 🤣🤣🤣
If the in-car cameras don’t see you do Heil Hitler before every ride, they will occasionally instruct the computer to drop parts of the car. That is a standard feature. If you do the V sign, it will engage autopilot and crash you into the nearest wall. Pro-tip: if you want to do some sort of anti-nazi activity in your Cybershit, do it in winter, or early spring, as the “truck” can’t do fuck, as the wheels don’t work on snow or mud.
Bit of Christine then, but it hates its owner.
As someone who isn’t a car guy, this is a legit question: Do other manufacturers also glue panels onto plastic parts?
That doesn’t seem like something that would be the norm but maybe I’m clueless.
Edit: Thanks for clarifying. I certainly learned something new.
People are saying yes, but that seems bonkers to me. I’ve done some extensive repairs for the last two cars I’ve owned (a Honda and a Toyota), as well as for my mom’s Volvo, and I’ve certainly never encountered adhesives to attach any parts. In my experience it’s always hex bolts or plastic clips. I’ll admit I don’t love those plastic clips, they probably break 1/4 of the time when you remove them, but they seem perfectly reliable when they’re in.
But hey, like I said, I haven’t been servicing any American cars, so who knows, maybe it’s used all the time. Maybe yesterday’s bad ideas are today’s tried and true best practices.
The parts that are glued on aren’t parts you’re going to be removing while servicing it, for obvious reasons
Yes, and many planes and jets are glued together too. This isn’t your cheap school glue. That said, Tesla’s good at fucking up, so who knows what they did wrong. Probably everything.
They used Elmers because Xelon saw it and thought it said Elons Glue… and then he ate some. I say ‘some’ but I really meant a few gallons, and that’s why he carries around a chainsaw.
I think I know why too - because they are pieces of shit that are poorly constructed.
If you haven’t seen the clip, watch the guy that shuts the door kinda hard but not crazy and it no longer opens. Find me another vehicle like that - don’t worry, I’ll wait.
Geez that’s actually awful.
I really have no idea why anyone would buy one of these pieces of shit other than hype and clout.
the trim piece that flew off of his truck is connected to a plastic frame bolted directly to the car; that trim piece, he says, is stuck to the frame with adhesive rather than welded or bolted to anything. That adhesive has seemingly failed in multiple places on his truck, leading to the loosened roofline trim panels.
What. The. Fuck…
Are we taking lessons from Samsung now? I mean are they serious? Adhesive for car parts?!
Well gee, as long as car exteriors don’t experience extreme heating/cooling cycles on a daily basis, then adhesive should work just fine. Oh wait.
It’s like they wanted this vehicle to fail.
Adhesive is fairly common in cars now. Some higher end cars are held together almost entirely with adhesives that bond carbon tubs to the frame.
That being said, they’re obviously not using it correctly or in the right circumstances on the cybercuck. What a piece of shit.
industrial adhesive exists and is pretty strong.
I still wouldn’t use it on a car.
It’s probably been used on every car since 2000.
I’m sure it is but I haven’t found any holding on body panels.
How the hell is that thing legal to sell??
There’s a reason why Musk is paying to dismantle the government.
There’s no consumer protection agency anymore. I wonder why.
I worked at the Tesla plant in Fremont for a bit and most of every car is held together with adhesive. They claim it’s super strong and once heated, it’s stronger than welding… But, I mean… They are still falling apart and I don’t know if that’s because the adhesive sucks or if it’s because every single day, they had to have someone remind everyone that the glue pattern posted at every station where it’s applied isn’t just a suggestion, it’s an engineering requirement for the structural integrity of the part. People were just slapping the adhesive onto shit in any old way they pleased a lot of the time.
Adhesive bonding can be a good engineering choice, it’s used a lot in aerospace, but like any engineering process, it has to be done right. If the thermal coefficient of expansion of the panels is big enough and the adhesive is immovable, the bonds will break. And as you mention, it’s a really good idea to put the adhesive where it’s supposed to go, otherwise it’s not going to work correctly.
they had to have someone remind everyone that the glue pattern posted at every station where it’s applied isn’t just a suggestion, it’s an engineering requirement for the structural integrity of the part. People were just slapping the adhesive onto shit in any old way they pleased a lot of the time.
In other words, the things were being designed by underqualified engineers who didn’t understand factors of safety, design for manufacturability, or that precision comes at a cost.
I suspect the real issue is the workers aren’t given enough time on the line to do this correctly so they just churn them out to hit the needed metric knowing it will fail after being delivered to the owner.
it’s stronger than welding
(X) to doubt
Adhesives can be incredibly strong.
But never a weld.
MEK welds styrene. Cynocrylate forms a mechanical bond. MEK will be stronger in tension, cyno stronger in shear.
Yes, but stronger than welded 304 stainless?
I don’t even know the name of the adhesive they used. I do know that it was made by 3M and that it’s orange.
Well, OK. So maybe that adhesive is stronger than a weld on that particular plastic. Of course, if you’re talking about adhering a plastic to a metal you cannot weld it so Elmer’s would be “stronger than a weld”. But whatever’s going on it’s not adequate.
E: and actually welding plastic together typically isn’t that strong, a mechanical bond can easily be stronger than melting the plastic to weld it.
