• pivot_root@lemmy.world
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    I see two new thin-skinned executive orders coming:

    1. United States flags can’t be manufactured in a way that makes it possible for them to be flown upside-down.
    2. Flying the United States flag upside-down is a criminal offense.
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      Did you know? The US Flag Code does not specify exact colors, where the rectangle should be, that all stripes and stars have the same size, or really much of anything besides the existence of the features.

      (If you ignore the diagram that was added later but that does not stop the field day vexillology circlejerkers sre having)

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      I’d love to see that first one written up just to have flag manufacturers go, “Wait, what?”

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      Ah yes, a vector to overturn Texas v. Johnson and eventually other first amendment precedents.

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    Lol, France gets whole country paralyzed for 2cents tax increase on gas. US put their flag upside down after the government is litteraly stripping all their liberties from them… Pathetic…

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      Well the distance from one side of Paris to the other is 11.5km.

      The distance from the furthest point in France to paris is like 723km.

      Washington DC is 22km at it’s widest point.

      The furthest point in the U.S. to Washington DC is 7,800 I’m.

      In the lower 48 only, if you could walk in a straight line, it would be nearly 4000km. Driving it’s an even longer distance cause it ain’t straight.

      I don’t know what the fuck you Europeans think the size and population density of the US is.

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        The distance from the furthest point in France to paris is like 723km.

        The furthest point in France is Wallis and Futuna which is 16000km from Paris.

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        The civil rights movement managed to organize a massive march on Washington in the early 1960s. It should be far easier to organize something similar or even larger with the current technology and larger population.

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          And the leaders of the civil rights organization had amazing public speaking skills, were professors or church leaders, or otherwise people who had a voice.

          AoC and Bernie are the two doing anything right now, and you better believe when they come here I’m going. But to say get off my ass and do something?

          Good fucking luck having just anyone do that.

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            Lack of democratic leadership is not a geographic problem. In your previous comment you claimed that it was because of distance that there were no large protests, but it’s pretty obvious that those distances are not the reason.

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              Because they have the resources to do so. They aren’t traveling for free, and it’s not quick. It would be a two day trip for me to get to DC. The nearest place worth staging a protest is 6 hours away by car.

              This isn’t hard to grasp.

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                  The civil rights movement started 8 years prior, and it was almost entirely focused locally in Alabama & Tennessee. Using today’s technology to spread the word, great, you have people doing the same thing with the 50501. We’re still limited by travel times.

                  Planning for the March on Washington started in 1961, and was largely supported by unions. Guess what has been absolutely decimated since then? A whole bunch of people talking online is great, but you still need proximity to organize shit like transporting a bunch of people to one location from another. They organized 250k people. 50501 can probably organize far more, but it will take longer even with instant communication.

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        This is the lamest most pathetic American excuse I hear everytime. Or how about your population is ignorant and obese? And loves sucking off billionaires. Why the fuck do you have to protest in DC? God damn sick of how ignorant your comment is

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          By that reasoning here in Canada resistance is futile and we can never according to geography protest in any way.

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        And? You have to be in Washington to protest or to strike? Do you realise that not all protest in France are in Paris? Typical american ignorant. Stop trying to find yourself excuse, man up and live to the creed of your country: fight for your freedom you weak sheep…

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          I agree with the strike.

          but to whom am I protesting? what am I protesting? why am I protesting?

          typical European doesn’t understand so let me put it in a way for you to finally get it.

          when your country protested against a war that was happening 7000km away, did it stop the war? did the fighting stop? how about your local politicians? did they even make anything more than a passing comment? did you lose sleep over it? did you skip meals because you couldn’t stomach it due to stress? did you skip meals to save it for tomorrow?

          nobody cares unless you make them care. you want a high impact protest that’s going to shake them to their core? organize a 10 million man march to washington.

          until then I think we Americans would appreciate you to shut your ignorant european mouth. you have no idea what it’s like for us right now.

          people are scared, they are running out of money, out of patience, out of hope. many of us don’t even know what we’re going to do because our government is attacking us, attacking the establishments put in place that protect us. we’re coming to grips to the reality that our government was so easily dismantled.

          worst of all we’re getting a taste of the underbelly of American society. it’s a major culture shock to say the least. a veritable powder keg about to go off. literal Nazi’s marching down the street. White supremacists threatening citizens. our community watchers, who had infiltrated the cult are raising alarms saying something big is coming.

          so while you lay in your bed tonight thinking about the weekend, or what you’re going to have for lunch or dinner, or about your kids school play, etc – I want you to imagine for a minute what it feels like not knowing what tomorrow brings. I want you to ask yourself some of these questions before you sleep for thr next three weeks. Don’t worry, you won’t run out. there’s more coming this week, and the week after, and the one after that.

          • are they going to close the public schools?
          • how will I work if I have to take care of my kids?
          • can I afford daycare?
          • what will we eat if I lose my job?
          • what if I can’t pay my mortgage/rent?
          • what would happen if h5n1 or measles gets worse?
          • do I have enough canned goods to live for a week, maybe two?
          • what happens if the regional water filtration system is shut down through an act of Doge?
          • Will I be able to fill my tub in time?
          • how many days will that buy me?
          • should I make a plan for armed insurgents/looters?
          • should I make a plan for if I get raped?
          • will I be able to abort a pregnancy from a rape?
          • what if the rapist forces me to carry the child to term?
          • will my children be able to get the medicine they need to live?
          • how long will it even be safe before companies slack on a lack of regulatory agencies?
          • will my children be sent off to a camp because they are on attention deficit drugs?
          • will I be because I am too?
          • when will ICE come to arrest me?
          • even though I was born in America?
          • why me?
          • why us?
          • why?
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            Lol, you are already losing everything, you are just like russians being used as meat in the current war, being enslaved by a greedy few…

            But yeah… Keep going like that… Weak…

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            This is the part I’m talking about. The last guy marginally successful at that got assassinated by the FBI 60 years ago.

            And our lives are purposely overloaded with crap, and we’re so dispersed as to fail to collectivise. Individualism and materialistic values are so hammered into us so that any attempt to collectivise are self-thwarted by ourselves.

            The few of us who realize what’s going on can’t do much other than say something. Hope we can connect people to say “yeah, let’s see what’s up.” And it’s gonna take a fuckton of effort, and it’s not going to happen a month after shit really starts going to hell.

            Thank you for spelling out the anxieties we all experience because of intense suppression by the elite. I don’t think any country on this planet can look at us see “our wealth” and not realize that 99% of us don’t have any.

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      I’m asking as someone who legit doesn’t know, how does the French government respond to protesters? In the US at least we get shot at, maimed, felony records that lock you out of the job market forever, all kinds of stuff. Protesting in the US can be a life or death thing. Striking is also very difficult at a scale big enough to matter to the government because the US is enormous. If not enough people strike for critical mass then companies start firing everyone and any fines are just operating expenses. It’s not impossible, we’ve done it before, but it’s not like we’re struggling to resist for funsies

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        All I smell is fear, fear from weak and coward sheeps, fear from a nation that once stood up to the greatest empire on earth but that is now nothing more than a nation of ignorant and morbidly obese sheeps. A nation that forgot its creed of equality and freedom. A nation that took pride in having the right to possess and to take arms against any dictator that would try to opress its citizens. Freedom is never given, you have to fight for it. Rise like a man or keeps your head down like a sheep.

        Be it France or anywhere else, you are always taking risk, but that is the principle of being a free man.

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        We need more than a day, most likely. if they know it is 24 hours, they won’t freak out and send police and the national guard or whatever nonsense. Then we’ll know they’re listening. It needs to be indeterminate.

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        It’s not much of a protest when many of the people participating are doing so involuntarily because they can’t afford to buy things anyway.

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        I see these “don’t buy anything on x date” protests every few months. I’ve never heard of them actually having any impact.

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        Not really. Not buying things for one day isn’t going to have any impact on anything.

        Having a strike or boycott with an end date is completely pointless.

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          You know what’s even less impactful? Doing absolutely nothing and saying “it won’t have any effect” every. single. time. someone mentions a coordinated effort to resist. Even if it ultimately does nothing, we don’t have to make their destruction of this country’s democracy easy or fun!

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          It demonstrates organization and support. If a significant number of people make no purchases on one day it shows a lot of support for the cause and it’s a warning that there are enough people paying attention that it can get much worse.

          Conversely, if you can’t even get people to stop buying things for 1 day what are the chances you can have a successful strike or boycott?

          It’s a first step, it’s not the last one.

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          Agreed. Might as well call the next day the ‘buy twice as much as normal’ protest, because that’s all that will happen.

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            It’s a first step to gauge the amount of support for the cause. If you can’t convince people not to purchase things for just one day your sure as fuck not going to be able to convince them to not go to work.

            If you support a boycott or general strike then I hope you’re willing to do the bare minimum of not making purchases on one specific day even if you think it isn’t going to much.

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              How exactly do you gauge the effects? Do you have access to their daily financials? Because just gauging the support and nothing else feels like the literal definition of performative action.

              Not sure why the next step after not purchasing for a day is to not go to your job. Seems like it would be to not purchase for a week, or month, or permanently stop giving companies your money.

              If the general public lacks the focus to do anything more than a day, then the specific action that one day should be radically different. Something very simple that overwhelms stores and forces your hand tomorrow and the next day. For example, everyone could go out that day and intentionally get trespassed from a store they don’t like. Not as a group, individually throughout the day. It doesn’t have to be violent or even illegal, just break policy - go in without wearing shoes or something.

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                everyone could go out that day and intentionally get trespassed from a store they don’t like. Not as a group, individually throughout the day. It doesn’t have to be violent or even illegal, just break policy - go in without wearing shoes or something.

                “How exactly do you gauge the effects? Because just gauging the support and nothing else feels like the literal definition of performative action.”

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                  I guess my response is the entire middle part of my other comment that you just cut out to try to make a point. I’m just not going to bother copying things around.

                  Ill try to spell it out a bit better though. The one day of protest causes a permanent change - you’re banned from a store. And the store does all the fucking work for you after the first day to keep you from buying there.

                  If you want paperwork to gauge the effect, ask the police for the trespass in writing.

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        I know this is shocking (I don’t mean that sarcastically) but the majority of Americans truly, literally, don’t know the extent of what’s happening. They’ve maybe heard one headline about how Trump is increasing government efficiency and they took it at face value.

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        Its a dangerous tightrope to walk.

        There are a LOT of bullshit laws/policies to screw over federal employees. Most people are aware that they can’t legally strike but there are a lot of less uniformly applied “behavioral” policies.

        And, in a lot of ways, that is likely what musk et al is counting on. Because “Reply to this email so I can wank my broken dick to my power over you by midnight” is VERY questionable and prone to a lot of legal injunctions. But doing something that you can officially be fired for? That makes things easy.

        And… it is easy to say “just quit if they are going to fire you”. But that means you aren’t getting a paycheck. And we as a people have made it increasingly clear that we don’t actually have federal employees’ backs so…

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        I wouldn’t be surprised baby kingshit wakes up tomorrow has a fit, renames yosemite to america national park and threatens to remove citizenship from anyone who dare use the flag this way.

        I’m surprised he didnt already do it for those who kneel during the anthem