You and I both know that’s not what you said
If you haven’t noticed it there’s a screenshot of the removed posts at the top of this thread
Again, nobody is swayed by your bullshit. Try harder, troll.
You are calling my arguments bullshit and labeling me as a troll, try to be more patient and read more carefully because you are not sounding smart.
You sound to be trolling more
Two pigs don’t praise any of these two they are the scum of earth
you’re spreading propaganda, not truth.
If you believe highlighting human right violations such as drafting people by force and not allowing everyone to leave a country is spreading propaganda than you are a victim of the propaganda yourself. Are you aware that there’s propaganda in every country and not just in russia?
That’s definitely what I was implying and not that the prospect of death scares people into running away
“coward: a person who is contemptibly lacking in the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.”
You are just remarking your implication that ukraine people are cowards.
By that definision, almost every country is evil.
You may not like to hear it but that’s how it goes. Name a single country in the world that isn’t rooted in violence or that isn’t governed by corrupted politicians.
But: Is Ukraine’s conscription to stop a foreign invasion the same evil as russia’s conscription in order to invade and continuingly occupy Ukraine? The invasion that killed a lot of civillians, with the intent to take over Ukraine and expand russian territory by any means necessary. Are they really the same evil?
You are making an argument that there’s some slavery better than other, ok you slaver…
Defending forced conscription and praising authoritarian leaders is being a useful idiot for the russia government because that’s what they want to hear.
I did. Read my first comment.
I already replied to your first comment and the others. I’m not posting any disinformation, just because you don’t like it or the russian are saying it doesn’t imply that what i’m saying is false or wrong.
and the draft exists to ensure the country does as well.
A country does not exist because of forced conscription. People can defend themself even without authoritarian leaders drafting them by force. Your claim is that ukraine still exist only because they drafted people against their will, you are basically implying ukraine people are cowards and should be forced to fight.
If the draft didn’t exist, the end result would be might makes right. The countries who didn’t have enough volunteers would lose, and the country with the bigger stick would always be the victor. Human lives would be spared, sure, but at what cost? Living as a conquered people is not defacto better just because you’re alive. One need only look at history to see that fact.
You talk like a villain, wars are fought by real people who die in the most miserable way. I encourage you to watch the combat footage out of this war to look at what is happening.
I’m fine with not discussing the argument here because this sub has another goal but don’t keep making points about it yourself or i’m gonna have to reply.
In other words, you’re pointing at Ukraine and ignoring the rest of the world. You’re taking a side.
The thread was about Ukraine and people were praising its authoritarian leader calling him an hero. I pointed out and argue that he’s no hero because he’s an authoritarian leader drafting people by force. When i say that martial law is dictatorship and that drafting people by force is a violation of human rights that goes for everyone everywhere, if the thread was about Congo i would have talk about Congo and not ukraine.
Did you put any sources or evidence into the comments that got removed? If so, they don’t show in the screen shots, so you’d have to put them up somewhere else for me to engage further on that side of things.
Yes, you can thank the .world mods for removing it thus creating even more confusion. That’s some good argument against censorship, removing the comments didn’t do any justice.
Do you know your history? The nazi fought the biggest war with stalin. Were stalin and his regime good overall because they fought and defeated the nazi?
Drafting people by force is wrong, if you do it you are lowering yourself to the nazi, russia or any other scum.
explain how this is idiotic
Thanks for the warning. I don’t think picking a fight with him is much useful, don’t attack him personally for lying bur rather explain to him why lying is wrong.
You’re just spreading their disinformation
Can you point out the disinformation? Mostly of what i’m saying is that the ukranian government is drafting people by force and not allowing men 18-60 to leave the country with the result that people trying to cross the border are getting arrested and some died trying. As a result i’m pointing out ukrainian government ceo to be an authoritarian ruler rather than a hero that should deserve monuments.
and virtually every country with a military has a draft available.
Most countries are police states rooted in violence. US and any other should have no draft, it is not normal or good just because it’s there.
So what? He doesn’t get to choose the venues; that’s just where they are.
I’m just highlighting that meeting the world most powerful rulers in their headquarters is not the same as rooting in a trench.
but the reality is that we wouldn’t need drafts if there weren’t any authoritarians with delusions of grandeur.
Indeed if it wasn’t for deluded maniacs with power ambitions we wouldn’t have the draft, that’s why i’m calling them out.
They may not like it but people at the government are ok with it. Back in the day some probably didn’t like slavery but thought it as necessary, which is equally bad…
Arguing against authoritarian politicians and against forced conscription doesn’t sound much like well known points used by russia propaganda and even if they are there they don’t magically become wrong points only because russia is using them.
What you are saying is that whatever topic russia propaganda picks up should be censored, what kind of logic is this? I’m not repeating some random shit i’m advocating for human rights and calling out ukrainian government for drafting people by force and arresting these who try to flee the country.
rigidly protected or it will go the way reddit is going.
Reddit is rigidly protected, censorship has been a big reddit issue.
You sound to me like someone who gets their news straight out of some propaganda machine.
I was commenting on a post at news@lemmy.world
Did you check the poll?
I’m not the one claiming zeleskyy is or isn’t popular among ukrainians. All i know is that some people died trying to cross the border which point out that not everybody is ok with his government.
And have you been part of a protest in Germany? Because last time I did was 2 days ago. And it didn’t quite match your description.
I’m gonna assume what you were protesting was not the genocide in gaza or the climate crisis.
YDI. The first sentence of every comment is literal Russian propaganda.
Russia is a country plagued with corrupted authorities and where the draft is mandatory, calling these things out goes against russia government interests too. Remember also that russia started this war, they don’t want peace, they are fine with war or they would pull back.
Clutching your pearls at forced conscription during an ongoing invasion speaks to a level of privilege I rarely see, even online
Human rights shouldn’t be abolish under any circumstance, there’s no scenario under which slavery is tolerated. A government should never draft people by force and neither should arrest them if they want to leave the country.
Zelenski is touring “the royal courts,” because he’s prostrating himself to beg for money, weapons and aid for his country. Wars aren’t free, especially when you’re up against a global power.
Some of the countries he visit literally have royal palaces like Abu Dhabi. He’s not prostrating, he’s been invited by world leaders and having discussion with them to get more founds to his country and his government.
You bring up non sequiturs, namely here conscription…
Forced conscription is a violation of human rights and pointing it out is something everyone should do, especially when people are glorifying and praising as hero the authoritarian rulers behind it.
It is a defensive war, conscription is the standard process once volunteers are gone. Ukraine is third year into the war.
Drafting people by force is the standard process of authoritarian states like russia. If you were russian and china invades the country would you be fine with the government drafting you by force and arresting you if you try to flee the border?
Do you cry when Russia sent conscripts in for invasion?
Draft is slavery regardless of who is doing it.
Lol. Why do you focus on the third sentence in or something and somehow assume the 2 sentences before, containing 100% propaganda and misinformation, wouldn’t count towards propaganda and misinformation, but somehow it’s this one thing?
I’m not sure what you are asking here
Just tell me how an democratically elected president, who is still backed by like a vast majority of the citizens is somehow an authoritarian ruler?
Democracies are filled with elected politicians power tripping, see global security law in france, germany government beating and arresting environmental activists or the orange man in USA deporting immigrants. Ukraine is under martial law which is a suspension of democracy and a form of dictatorship. Drafting people by force and arresting them if they try to leave the country is an authoritarian practice and a violation of people rights.
who is still backed by like a vast majority of the citizens is somehow an authoritarian ruler?
I wonder if you check any poll before making this statement or you just assumed it to be the case
And why do you keep having the same problem every 4 weeks?
Not sure what you are asking here either
OP is at best is a useful idiot…
Explain how i’m an idiot
Forced conscription is a form of slavery, especially when enforced with violence. I’m using slavery as an example to make you understand that there’s no condition under which slavery can be good and the same principle applies to forced conscription. Slaves can be used to fight for a country and for “society” but slavery is and will always be wrong.
Imagine being arrested for not submitting a ballot, is this the society you want to live in?
Paying taxes in russia that goes into fueling the ukraine invasion is more than simply theft, isn’t it? If you were russian would you happily pay taxes and consider it rightful?
Are you really comparing returning a shopping cart with being conscripted into a war that is estimated to have made a million casualties already?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Ukraine
“According to an estimate by Ukrainian commanders, 50% to 70% of Ukrainian conscripts are killed or wounded on their first day in combat.”