This is nothing, on hexbear there’s a person pretending to be like half a dozen different Palestinians with different fraudulent GoFundMe. They cook up a new persona like every other week using pictures they scrape from the media and then run it through an AI filter.

I mean, they know it’s not “legal”, they are just testing the boundaries of judicial oversight. They are going to push boundaries and whenever they get any kind of push back they are going to scream about persecution and claim judicial over reach.

The point is to overwhelm the system to the point of breaking and then claim we don’t need to listen to the judicial system, because look how broken it is.

These people aren’t stupid, they’re just fascist who know things like legal systems are social contracts that depend on good will and trust to operate. If they can break that good will and trust them they can rewrite the social contract.

It is dangerous to assume these people are just stupid.

Lol, not even trying anymore. That’s cool, projection is a helluva drug.

could ask you why liberal trolls all have the same script too.

Yes, everyone who is critical of a pretend campist is a liberal… At least you’re not even denying that you’re just a Russian nationalist.

Have a good one

There’s no fundamental difference between Russian and western oligarchs having influence over Ukraine.

That’s a non sequitur from the discussion we were talking about.

Yeah, that’s not what happened.

I guess it’s inarguable since you said it with such conviction…

Claiming that these people represent majority of Ukrainians is the height of intellectual dishonesty

“As for the conflict itself, over 50% sided with the protesters and volunteers. More than half of the respondents discountenanced the authorities and pro-government anti-Maidan protesters. The main adversary of the Euromaidan was Viktor Yanukovych and his closest allies, 71% of the pollees believe.”

It’s fairly unanimous that the protest were mainly against Viktor Yanukovych.

Not surprisingly, you’re once again making statements at odds with the basic facts of the situation.

Wow, such a good argument. How can anyone compete with the sophisticated rebuttal of “not uh”.

guess you’ll just keep repeating this like baby Goebbels

Hmmm… I can’t refute this fact, I guess I’ll just call anyone who disagrees with me a Nazi. Big brain move.

The substack points to plenty of sources to substantiate the argument.

First of all, half of the links in that substack are dead. Secondly, just because you claim a piece of evidence substanciates your argument doesn’t make it true. Having a link saying 6 people from America went and observed an election, doesn’t mean they were part of an overall conspiracy to overthrow a country. Especially considering the people in that country attribute the actual rebellion as a response to Yanukovych sicking the police on a peaceful protest.

I’m not attacking the “evidence” in the substack, I’m attacking the overall narrative that run counter to reality.

Nobody said they’re solely responsible for regime change.

You haven’t offered any other reasoning…

to put more effort into your trolling to make it less transparent at least.

Lol, anytime anyone disagrees with you it’s trolling.

US is capitalizing on it and has done so since 2014.

By taking away the wealth of the oligarchs who supposedly handed over power to the US in the first place? Sure.

Maybe learn a bit about the subject you’re attempting to debate as not to make a clown of yourself in public.

Man, you really are just a broken record. What is your obsession with clowns?

Why is it that all Russian nationalist argue in the same exact way?

I wouldn’t bother too much, he’s not arguing in good faith. He’s just a Russian nationalist pretending to be a campist. Capitalist imperialism is a disease and needs to be stomped out…except for in Russia, which is totally going to be socialist any day now.

didn’t have any actual point to make here.

Being purposely obtuse is not a rebuttal…

was independent in a sense of having sovereign domestic policy which it lost after the coup by the west.

Just because the people of Ukraine overthrew a government that was being controlled by the benefactors of Russian capital for a government controlled by people who want to take loans from the US and Western Europe does not mean there was a “coup by the west”.

Not surprisingly you are stripping any sense of autonomy from the people of Ukraine. Could it be that the people of Ukraine were just tired of being the poorest nation in Europe despite their size, agricultural output, and mineral wealth?

Ukraine was allowed to stay independent then the war would not have happened

Meaning if Ukraine had continued to be controlled by oligarchs loyal to Russia, Russia wouldn’t have had to invade. Sure.

We’ve already established that it’s actually that the west that wants to maintain control over Ukrainian politics as was evidenced by the west overthrowing the government in Ukraine.

I don’t think posting the substack of an author who works for the Russian media is really enough to establish anything. The guy is clearly not a reliable narrator, and his “evidence” is hardly sufficient to validate his claims.

shred of intellectual integrity.

Lol, the pot calling the kettle black.

Literally that org that is known for doing regime change around the world.

Every powerful nation in the world has lobbying groups of a similar order. Saying that they are solely responsible for regime change all over the world is just reductionist and ignores the autonomy of the people in those nations.

The whole western proxy war is backfiring right now as well.

So America is so powerful they can overthrow a nation with a ngo, but so weak they can’t capitalize on it… curious.

As opposed to the oligarchic system in the west?

Did I deny that the west had its own oligarchic system? No, it wasn’t pertinent because we were talking about Ukraine prior to 2014.

Your claim was that Ukraine was “independent”, when in reality the majority of the wealth was held by Ukrainian oligarchs with deep ties to Russian capital.

Russia wanting to maintain economic relations with Ukraine isn’t the conspiracy theory you seem to think it is.

Russia wanting to maintain control of Ukrainians politics through the wealth of their oligarchs is literally a conspiracy. I’d say it’s a lot more influential than a US backed org like freedom radio or what have you.

The credit goes to the US and it’s pretty well documented at this point https://kitklarenberg.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-coup-how-cia-front-laid

Ahh, yes… The national endowment fund… So powerful they could take over the government by funding… Independent Journalism?

Surely having a few people control 80% of the countrys wealth has nothing to do with people being upset at the status quo…

certain oligarchs in Ukraine decided to throw their lot with the US

Yeah, because that worked out for them…

November 2023 there were only two billionaires left in Ukraine, these being Rinat Akhmetov ($6.59 billion) and Viktor Pinchuk ($1.72 billion).[7] In November 2022 they had counted nine billionaires.[7] The February 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and its negative impact on the economy of Ukraine led to the decline in billionaires.[8]

What actually happened was that the west was not ok with Ukraine being independent and instigated a coup there.

By independent, you mean controlled by the same oligarchic system as the Russian federation?

While you are correct that Russia really didn’t need the minerals in Ukraine, they did want to maintain relations with the oligarchs that controlled the majority of Ukraine wealth. They especially wanted to maintain relations with the oligarchs like Akhmetov, Kolomoisky, Pinchuk, and Firtash. Who were responsible for mediating Russian gas sales to Ukraine.

Of course the US has their fingers in geopolitics around the globe, but giving them credit for the revolution in 2014 is a bit generous imo. I mean, when is the last time America did anything at this scale with any kind of competency?

In 2008, the combined wealth of Ukraine’s 50 richest oligarchs was equal to 85% of Ukraine’s GDP.[3] In November 2013, this number was 45% (of GDP).[

In reality this is the reason for the revolution. It’s also the same reason why America’s billionaire president is now supporting Russia. The ultra wealthy have long craved the control Russia’s oligarchy has over the state.

That’s kinda what I was thinking, the Korean use of Neh can be flexible enough to be used as a past particle. The Japanese like to ignore or outright white wash the influence and impact of Korean culture on the island.