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Time to piss everyone off by calling all 3 of the portrayed ideologies equally as idiotic but in different ways like a true patriotic leftist infighter
The folks saying that this is ablesist. I hear you and I think I mostly agree. But this is one I kind of struggle on. Which “haha person is stupid” kinds of things are making fun of people who are mentally handicapped? And which ones are just making fun of people for being plain old stupid? Or is it ablesist to say that a person behaving stupidly is stupid?
Like, if you’re making a meme and want to portray the anti-vaxer or nazi or whatever as being stupid or cruel or whatever, how do you do that without being ablesist? (“Inteligence is biological”, “psychopathy is a disease”, etc)
edit: oh whoops. And fuck tankies. Forgot to add that
Calling something or someone ‘stupid’ is just evading actual criticism. The fact is that nazi’s and anti-vaxers aren’t necessarily ‘stupid’. And people with learning disabilities are often neither anti vax nor nazi.
Nazi’s are evil because they want to remove queer people, non-white people, disabled people etc from society (probably by either killing or enslaving them).
Anti-vaxers are either dangerously misinformed or so arrogant that they think they know better than scientists who studied years to understand the human immune system.
Which “haha person is stupid” kinds of things are making fun of people who are mentally handicapped? And which ones are just making fun of people for being plain old stupid? Or is it ablesist to say that a person behaving stupidly is stupid?
Kinda, yeah. And this is somewhere some hard conversations have to happen in leftist anti-ableist spaces to figure out the way forward. Memes play on stereotypes and cultural shorthand to communicate with very few words, and the culture is ableist so our memes sometimes will be too. There’s a split in definitions - stupid can be a perjorative for disabled people, or it can be a remark on willful ignorance and self-sabotaging malice. And using SAT words to more accurately describe their behavior leads to the wall 'o text leftist ‘memes’ that nobody wants to read. But calling them stupid is still ableist.
In some cases you can get around this by playing on anti-intellectual stereotypes but then you’re usually just using classist stereotypes… am I just forgetting some or is every insult that doesn’t make you sound like an egghead punching down on someone?
IDK. Everything is fucked.
Not too fond of genocides and presidents for life
Oh, so that’s fine when America does it???!!?1!1??1 < average ml. user
I too sometimes wear anarchism panties on my face.
Been a little too long. Never as fun if they’re your own.
Well now I need a pair of anarchism panties. For when I’m doing anarchism.
We have a situation. A situation that calls for anarchism panties.
The patriarchy cries when you wear anarchy panties on your face.
i hate the political compass i hate the political compass i hate the political compass i hate the political compass
Hmm yes, using ableist language to dunk on the evil tankies.
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Hurr hurr most likely as it is closely aligned with the R word, and the jokes that came with it
It doesn’t help that the original comic says that exact word as the punchline.
People with learning disabilities are frequently stereotyped and ridiculed with exactly the same language & body language op is using to portray the ‘tankie’. Imo it’s no different than using the r word.
I see what you’re saying, but it’s also good and fun to point and laugh at tankies/conservatives/fascists and call them stupid.
Sure, its a little ableist but it’s worth it, and nowhere near the r word. (As a person with fairly severe ADHD and probably a bit of autism in there somewhere since u probably care)
You being neurodivergent doesn’t mean you can decide when ableism is or isn’t okay. The rules of this community are pretty clear about not allowing ableism.
Unrelated, but if being ableist is the only way you can criticise a group of people then maybe you just shouldn’t.
In that case the original meme was indeed using ableism:
- st panel: Look at how I’m being r–word
- nd panel: wow fuck off r-word
- rd panel: haha joke’s on them I was only pretending
It was used to tell off trolls and other online pranksters.
Well yeah, although you could just as easily say something like ‘dumbass’ in place of the r word and have the same idea.
Indeed.
Ableism isn’t justifiable. Someone being a “just” victim doesn’t make it okay. As for if the sounds in question are problematic or not I can’t say I know for sure.
Several people are commenting that it is ableist. If you need an explanation then here is one I could find in a few minutes of searching: https://nicocoer.tumblr.com/post/4040763038/content-warnings-for-use-of-ableist-and
