Auction: https://www.sav.com/auctions/details/7073489/hexbear.net
Not sure what will happen, but seems to be a Fediverselore event for sure
Update: post from hexbear admin on chapo.chat: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
Karma
this, exactly. That the communism site is being sold to the highest bidder is karma, just like the oppressive action of capitalism driving escapism into communism is.
the raw reality is that neither pure communism nor pure capitalism will work. It’s like saying “top-down architecture is better than peer-to-peer architecture,” or vice-versa. it’s foolish. the right architecture depends on the situation being addressed.
What on Earth is “pure communism?” Or “pure Capitalism?”
Pure communism or pure capitalism would be systems of societal organization that function as close to the respective ideals of communism or capitalism as possible.
I’m surprised that was unclear.
It’s unclear because it isn’t helpful. Just because something can be imagined doesn’t mean it would function in that manner. Capitalism doesn’t have ideals, liberalism would be the closest. Communism does, but applying it in reality and testing theory to practice is one of the major pillars.
Capitalism, as practiced by humans, absolutely has ideals and principles. they may be implicit, and they may be foolish and dangerous to enact, but it absolutely does.
Even the basic foundational logical arguments for capitalism are rife with assumption, and, ultimately, opinion.
Communism does, but applying it in reality and testing theory to practice is one of the major pillars.
Will you rephrase that?
Capitalism is a mode of production. There are ideologies that exist post-hoc to justify its existence, but these are not Capitalism itself as a mechanical process. There aren’t logical assumptions for its existence just like there aren’t logical assumptions for gravity, but there are explanations for them based on Human observation.
As for Communism, since it really traces all relevant interpretations to Marx, is closer to an analysis of Capitalism and a prediction for the future. Marx didn’t design Communism, he analyzed Capitalism’s trends and predicted, just like how Capitalism resolved the contradictions within feudalism, so too will Socialism and Communism resolve the contradictions within Capitalism. Marx’s idea of a “Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society” isn’t a blueprint he created, but a prediction of where humanity must eventually trend towards as industry gets increasingly complex and interconnected, and competition fades into cooperation.
I am not going to give you a lecture on Communism if you don’t want one, but the idea that “pure communism” means implementing Marx’s prediction of a future society now before industry even reaches the point where that makes any physical sense is an idea no Marxists hold outside of fringe dogmatists that reject Marx’s own analysis.
there is no real separation of an ideology from the framework that is it’s context, because that ideology is a response to and utilization of that framework, and the framework gives rise to the ideology. So, sure. One can argue (and it is commonly argued) that capitalism is not an ideology. And it is, in a technical sense, an economic system which has evolved over time. A “mode of production,” as it were.
But in reality, it is not merely an economic system, but rather, has all the trappings, prescriptions, and effects of an ideology - and, as with any ideology, a change in the foundation of that ideology leads to different behaviors, for better and worse. This is why I do not, in general, separate capitalism from the underlying perspectives that drive it. It is useful to see that they are linked, and directly impact each other - although, there’s definitely a time for dissection.
But also, we can very effectively sum the two (capitalism and communism) up as “privately held means of production” and “publicly held means of production” - and that “pure capitalism” would be a theoretical privately-held means of production without any interference from the state or other public entities, and that “pure communism” would be the (again, theoretical) inverse of that.
And, as I said, neither can exist effectively and functionally as an extreme. The more a system is on one of these extremes, the more susceptible it is to abuse (or, proper interference) by the other.
Pure communism = A stateless, moneyless, classless society. Not simply whatever we’re doing to try to get there.
Pure capitalism = Anarcho-capitalism gives way to its final form, Arachno-capitalism.
I think the obsession with “purity” is just dogmatism, though. Systems are what they are, not some form of pure distilled ideology.
But that’s a part of the point I was making. They are ideological extremes, and don’t function in reality - both because of flaws in the ideology, and because of the fundamental difficulty of getting most ideologies to be universally accepted.
ideological purity can’t generally sustain itself, it must ultimately address external concepts (and actions).
Capitalism isn’t an ideological extreme, it isn’t an ideology to begin with. Moreover, it’s pretty clear you don’t really understand what Communism is in theory if you say it doesn’t function in reality, rather, it’s more of an analysis of societal progression.
I asked you because your point doesn’t make any sense to begin with, it’s very close to the “I’m 14 and this is deep” idea.
Nah. Capitalism may not, in the strictest, theoretical sense, be an ideology. But it is, in actuality, an ideology. It is not simply an economic system, but rather, a complex ideological web, including an entire set of beliefs and principles about what reasonable behavior actually is. It is, however, an ideology that has a logical and economic foundation - however flawed that foundation and its operational reality may be.
My understanding of communism is fine. Not believing in the ultimate efficacy of your preferred system doesn’t make me an idiot. But feel free to sling more mud, it makes you look great.
I enjoyed the community. Hope they find a new home.
They’re a bunch of Fascists disguised as Communists. Don’t understand why anyone would enjoy spending time in that shithole.
Maybe their username can give you an idea of why they enjoy the community more than western lib infested ones ;)
See this is what I mean. Constantly talking shit about liberals. You know who else does that? Fascists. You people don’t even try to hide it. I don’t even know why you pretend to be Communists. Nobody is falling for it. You’re embarrassing yourself. Grow up already
Constantly talking shit about liberals. You know who else does that? Fascists
Lol. Deeply unserious.
Constantly talking shit about liberals
Lol this has been a socialist past time since the dawn of socialism.
Because it’s a breath of fresh air away from an internet filled with people like you
Well then stop acting like Fascists and I’ll stop calling you such. You don’t even try to hide it. Constantly talking shit about liberals and leftists, like the little MAGA hats you are.
You supported a genocide.
Oh my god, shut the fuck up, you god damn hypocrite. A vote for 3rd party was a vote for Trump. You fucking morons can’t seem to grasp that fact. We’re in a TWO party system. I can’t stand it, but that’s the reality of the situation. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a 3rd party candidate to win an election under our current system. You HAVE to vote for the lesser evil; until our system changes, you have no choice.
How do you sleep at night, knowing that your worthless vote helped make the genocide worse?
You had to write a full paragraph of mental gymnastics
Because you literally voted for a genocide.
Fucking nazi.
helped make the genocide worse?
No, you were just a genocide denier until Trump was doing it
